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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 3, 2010 12:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: alligator

What? The first performance of Alligator was 9-3-67?
That's news to me, considering the Alligators on 6-18-67 and 8-5-67 and possibly "5-5-67" all precede this show.

Phil's not to be taken literally on early dates - he also claims they didn't write Caution until after the Vancouver '66 shows.
However, you were also mistaken about Phil's dating. I don't see Alligator mentioned when he talks about the Rio Nido shows in his book, he just praises the Midnight Hour. Then for the 9-29-67 show, he says they'd been playing Alligator>Caution "for a while".
Actually, the "how about something new?" reference comes from their first Cafe a Go Go show in June '67. (Alligator debuted around that time.) He claims it was a 45-minute performance of Alligator... I'm suspicious, considering that for a New York audience in their first NY show, almost everything in the show would have been "new".

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Feb 3, 2010 1:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: alligator

Whoops... I must have got my wires crossed up there in the ole noggin in remembering from Phil's book. I feel like a real nitwit right now, especially because I was aware of those earlier summer '67 shows with Alligator. Thanks for the clarification, lia.

I will do my best to do my research before posting crap off the top of my head in the future. Apologies to those mislead by my crap-shooting.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 3, 2010 1:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: alligator

No apologies necessary. If there were, Dire and WT could never, ever post.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 3, 2010 1:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: alligator

Hmmm--can you apologize on the web? Dire told me you can't do that...something about...well...hmmm...can't recall.

Anyway, doubt it's necessary.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Feb 3, 2010 2:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: alligator

Aww thanks guys!

We are lucky to have on point info from people like LIA and others here!

Just imagine if we were stuck in a world of misinformation propagated by all the miscreants going on a hunch generated by a some fizzling brain cells... oh the horror :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 3, 2010 3:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: alligator

Oh great! Another comment about my term as PM: "...we are stuck in a world of misinformation propagated by the Prime Miscreant going on a hunch generated by a some fizzling brain cells..."

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Feb 3, 2010 3:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: alligator

Fizzing brain cells aside, I must commend you on your sensitivity to the sentiments of the general populus of the Forum. You are a man of the people, WT!'

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 3, 2010 4:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: alligator


We got a thousand points of light
For the homeless man
We got a kinder, gentler,
Machine gun hand
We got department stores
and toilet paper
Got styrofoam boxes
for the ozone layer
Got a man of the people,
says keep hope alive
Got fuel to burn,
got roads to drive.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Feb 3, 2010 2:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: alligator

For what ot's worth, I do not recall Alligator being played on 6-10-67.